So… one of the secrets is finally out.
Last night’s Castle told the story of a bombing during a protest in New York that took the lives of five people and injured countless more. While the NYPD wasn’t directly involved — the FBI has jurisdiction in investigations like these — the case really affected everyone at the Precinct, including Castle and Beckett. The fact that most of the victims had just been in the wrong place at the wrong time hit really close to home as to how they’re just taking tomorrow for granted.
It was shaping up to be an incredible step forward for our dynamic duo and they built it really well through half of the episode with looks and loaded conversations and Martha’s advice. Even though I knew the secret had to come out at some point (because we all saw that promo, right), I found myself gearing up for something good to happen. And then they ripped the rug from right under our feet and punched us — and Castle — in the gut with that careless, unintended revelation.
So now Castle knows and I thought that was going to be a good thing because that means he is finally going to do something about it. But he didn’t. He was pissed off and rightly so, but he didn’t do anything. Maybe I have been reading this character wrong, but I was expecting a confrontation at the very least. But no, he just shut down, buried his head in the sand and basically pulled a Beckett, pretending nothing had happened. And you know what, that was just not cool.
The Castle we have all come to know and love was the kind of person who liked to talk, right? Okay, so when it comes to Beckett, he shies away, but not from things that really matter. Last season, during ‘Knockout’, he called her out on all her crap and, sure, it wasn’t pretty, but at least they got things out in the open. This time, though, he decided to just be pissed off and act like nothing was wrong while giving her the cold shoulder. And the sad thing is that Kate was ready to finally take a chance. She was so incredibly ready to finally do something about this stupid dance they had going on and now she is going to think that he is not in it anymore. What I got from this episode was that she was waiting for a cue from him and when that chance showed up, she was more than willing to take it, but he turned into freezer mode and completely ignored her.
Now, I am not saying that he is not justified in his actions. He is, of course. After all, she lied to him for months about something huge. But what really got to me was that he didn’t even give her a chance to explain her side of things. I am not defending what Kate did here, but let’s not forget that Castle also has a really big secret of his own and, while he is completely entitled to feel betrayed and act pissed off, he is being a little hypocritical here, isn’t he? Because from his reaction, it seems that he’s forgetting to take a long, hard look in the mirror and reevaluate his actions. We all know he is keeping this huge bombshell from Kate in order to protect her, so maybe he should have thought that Kate had her reasons to keep this from him as well? In fact, she told him her reasons all the way back in ‘Rise’and they were making progress now, only to have it be completely shattered. It felt like half a step forward and five steps back last night.
So now she doesn’t know that he knows she knows and — while I appreciate the Friends reference, this time it’s just not funny — this whole thing’s just turned into an even more complicated mess. From what we could see from the promo for next week’s ‘The Limey’, it looks like Castle is reverting to his old playboy ways and it’s just frustrating. At least we are going to see Kate talking things out with Lanie (about damn time too!) and maybe she is finally going to do something about it. But for now, it looks like things are going to get worse before they get better. I can already see that maybe they work things out (or at least start to) in ‘The Limey’, only to have Castle’s secret about her mom’s case blow up in their faces in the finale, leaving them both burned and separated for the entire summer.
And to be honest, I’m not sure I like this prospect.
Anyway, other than that, I really liked the case this time and there were two instances I particularly loved. Both scenes with Martha’s insight were great and I loved that scene with Alexis at the morgue and how Beckett was obviously moved by Castle’s fatherly side.
But then it all went to hell and it looks like it’s going to be a bumpy ride until the finale. For now, though, ’47 seconds’gets a B+ for me.
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I can`t believe how depressing was last night´s episode . I started to watch this show because it was a lot of fun but if we are going to get episodes like this for the rest of the season I´m going to give up on the show. Mondays are hard and I don´t need to get frustrated like that for a tv show.I`ve been a fan for 4 seasons but this show is a mess right now. You have two grown up , intelligent people who can´t talk to each other and I feel that the writers are messing with us and I don´t watch tv to feel that they are insulting my intelligence . After reading spoilers since the paley center thing I had a lot of hope in the show but last night episode shattered every hope I had.
I have to agree that last night's ending was depressing but you have to believe that this will all work out. Just give it a few more episodes. I am sure that we won't be disappointed. The waiting is the worst part of it.
i am done…really – just cant do this…i know it is only a tv show, but i dont watch tv to be manipulated like this – and castles reaction was really out of character – i agree, he would have called her out…it would not have been pretty, but it would have been dealt with – this is just silly now…it used to be a smart, well written show, and now we are just banished to a over played drawn out story just for the sake of being drawn out…..which is no longer smart or interesting. this was an episode that says TPTB just gave up…and to see castle reverting to his old self next week – please….done i say – DONE..
I couldn´t agree more . I wonder where are the two great characters that we met on season 1? Because season 4 Beckett and Castle are just pathetic .
Done! What a waste. You have stuck it out for 4 years and now you give up on the show. I hope that you will give it a second chance. I guarantee you that you won't be upset. That goes for all you fans out there that have given up on this wonderful love story.
It is frustrating and has been all year! I wish they would stop messing with us. I love this show but I am looking forward to Bones next Monday. I have to say that I just want this waiting game to be over, they really are messing up one of the most intelligent duo's on TV. But it doesn't mean I will stop watching it!
I´m going to skip all the next episodes and just watch the finale . I don´t need three episodes of angst and frustration.
Sigh. Who are these people & what have you done with Kate Beckett & Rick Castle? Because these two people on screen are not even designer imposters. We now have a detective who can't detect. A writer, who was once praised by the NYT for the depth of his female characters, with an inability to read women. And together they can't even catch a break let alone killers. What happened to the couple worth rooting for?
On the writers scorecard:
Predictus interruptus? Check.
Continuation of no continuity? Check.
Character resets, reversals & otherwise illogical actions? Check.
Looks like my fears came true. I knew they wouldn't resolve it this episode and when I saw that the half way point had come and gone without the revelation, my heart just sunk. There's no way they could handle that in less than half an episode. Not with all the other stuff going on. Really disappointed in where it went. However, I actually really enjoyed the episode because of that. It confounded my hopes and was still really interesting. I want to see where it's going next week, to be honest, which is not something I could've said last week if I hadn't seen the promo.
However, on the topic at hand, I'm actually going to come out and disagree with you, Luciana, and the others so far. I don't think this was out of character for Castle. Sure, he called Kate out on her crap in season 3, but you know what, he only did that after she pounced on him. He was angry then, blood pumping angry. What we're seeing here is a totally different kind of situation. Not only is he angry, but he is heart broken and his anger is cold. There was only one way he could've confronted her and that was if she hadn't been in the interrogation room when she'd said it. He left, calmed down and is trying now to shut his feelings off.
He doesn't want to confront her for the simple reason he doesn't believe there's anything to confront her about. It's all very simple and most guys know it well: guy asks girl out, she doesn't want to say "yes" but can't say "no" straight out so makes up some kind of excuse. The old "I'm washing my hair" cliché. That's how he's viewing it. There's nothing to say to her because he feels she lied to save face and make it less awkward for the pair of them. The conversation in "Rise" just confirmed it with the whole, "it's not you, it's me" speech. Castle's reevaluated all of it and just "discovered" a person who likes him as a friend and didn't want to lose that so she made up a convenient lie. Most people recognise this social convention and don't feel the need to call the person out on it.
That said, I felt the snide comments he made were a bit harsh and you could see how confused Beckett was getting over them. My heart really bled for her, as you could see she had no idea what she'd done wrong, yet all of a sudden he had gone cold on her, especially at the end when he bailed on the drinks and said his talk earlier "didn't matter" when she knew what was coming. I'm now interested again, but TPTB really need to sort this out because tempting us and teasing us only to mess us (two interruptions at serious-talk moments?!) about is no longer an option. That's been the entire season and it's led to a rather stale show, though enjoyably stale still.
I don't care what happens to the relationship now. I want them together, but I want development more than that. This episode has brought that. If they end up apart and just friends, fine. But just develop the relationship. Stop leaving it in limbo.
From the show's official website, at its inception "Castle is inspired by shows like “Rockford Files” & “Moonlighting” that are lighthearted with romantic tension and unlike the dark procedurals prevalent today Castle invites the viewer to invest in the relationship of two people having fun together and engaging in witty banter."
Yooo hooo…two people having fun together and engaging in witty banter? Come out, come out wherever you are.
I liked it! Did the episode frustrate us? Yes. Are we going to be anxious possibly all the way until the finale? Yes. But cmon, only good tv shows really have us talking about and feeling for the characters. I don’t think Castle is out of his element in shutting down.. He may be gregarious, but he’s a writer and writers are great at keeping things mum and controlled except on paper. Castle has a secret he’s keeping of his own, but it’s driven by his love for her (to not see her injured and dead!), so for him to find out that she’s been harboring this secret, it’s a natural assumption to think she doesnt reciprocate and a natural reaction for him to gain revenge, if u will, on doing the same ‘sinning by silence’ and not confronting her right away!! We’re in for a ride and i know there will be moments worth waiting for! I love Castle and Beckett! The journey and all…
i agree with you so much…is very common to such a reaction in people who are in love and are confused about the other person's feelings … and castle is a TV show and as such need that things do not happen as fast as we want. the characters are growing, gaining its own space, as in real life we all have our best days and our bad days, I loved this episode and have seen him two times and each time I like more, would never see Castle giving up because of something that was so particular, a relationship that is a strong relationship is built day by day, with ups and downs and the revolt of castle is very understandable and he says nothing beckett because he likes it not only as a woman but also as a friend and traveling companion of his life. I begin to think that after all the true fans are not many castle anyway because most just want to see castle and beckett making babies is an That we have lots of tv show;) a good day to all;)
sorry a litle google translution :(
Really? 2 interruption ploys when Beckett and Castle come close to a discussion! And seeing the promo for next week I wonder what in hell these writers are thinking. Yes next week Rick reacts by sliding back into his playboy role. Understandable considering the punch in the gut he got in this episode. And really? Another blonde (looked a lot like Gina)??? And Beckett's comment to Lanie in the promo…"Do you think I should tell him how I feel?"
What?????? No Beckett don't tell him now!! Not close enough to the season ender and big cliffhanger. This s**t is getting old. Tired of the wink and nod promos and god help us, the interruptions!! Writers, ship or get off the pot.
I seriously rolled my eyes both times they started a serious conversation and were interrupted. I was actually counting down to the interruption the moment they got their "serious talk" face on. Ridiculous.
All these comments are just like Caste's reaction to Kate's secret. I think most here missed the point. Castle is angry and hurt, just like it seems most of the readers here. So instead of letting Kate explain or letting the writers tell their story, Castle and everyone are just pissed and lashing out. Castle has been growing and since he thinks that growth has led to him being hurt, he is reverting back to his old ways thinking acting like a grown up sucks. He thinks his old ways made him happy but we all know it didn't. He is happiest with Kate and when the dust clears, he'll realize that. His immature behaviour won't make him happy, Kate will. He and Kate just need time to realize that and by the finale I think they both will. Have faith. This show wouldn't effect us so much if we all didn't care.
Been hearing the "have faith" comment used for 4 years. I liked your comment, but the fans anger is not part of the show, it is about the show. And these comments from fans (who made the show successful) should be taken seriously and not just as knee-jerk reactions to great writing. Please. I'm sure most of us don't live and die over this show or any other. Faith is a fragile thing and depends ultimately on who or what we are supposed to have faith in. And success Mr. Marlowe is dependent on the fans, the core viewers. It is Marlowe who needs to have faith, that after 4 years any core fans will continue to watch. The great shows, the lasting shows, are those that deliver quality episodes throughout the seasons and not just the first and last episodes.
I liked this ep, and I knew it would get harsh reviews, cause people were expecting so much based on sneak peaks. Off course it didn't deliver….
I completely get Castle's reaction and coldness, it's human and fits his character in my opinion. Maybe I get him because I would do the same. yeah, it's not a grown up thing to do, but when you're that much in love and waiting for a long time, another rejection would be too much. And rejection is exactly what he's expecting, Beckett done it too many times. He's been forward and open for years now. Showing her consideration, warmth, bringing her little presents, coffee, etc…. She knows how he feels , even if he hadn't said ILY.
But Kate built a wall, and nothing she said or did could tell Castle that she feels anything but friendship. I'm not counting all those lovin' looks cause we all know those signals can be misread.
And know it's his turn to turn a cold shoulder. Let her step up, and be open about it for once. It would be great if writers had that in mind when writing this ep. Because I would love to see her be the one to try to mend this. He's been a puppy in this relationship for too long
I personally didn't mind the angst of this episode at all. I liked it. I generally like the more serious episodes better, when it's more about the characters than about random cases. But the writing of this episode.. ugh! So Beckett and Castle both SUDDENLY realize the things they are missing in their lives after the bomb goes off. They've been in situations like that zillion of times, dead people killed for meaningless reasons in almost every episode. But they both realize it in this one, just for these hopes for progress to be crashed after the bomb of Beckett's secret goes out. Well ok, I could maybe swallow that one although I would rather leave all the "sudden realization" out. Then the Ryan thing.. oh c'mon! If they had let him finish and he'd actually asked her out (casue I don't think he'd say something more serious than that), then the storyline could've gone unchanged, it would've worked as well. Of course it would've been more obvious that something's wrong if he'd ditched the date in the end. But the constant interruption are so annoying and it really gets old. It comes so far that we would actully be surprised if one of them finished an honest serious sentence in their convo. It was also strange that Kate didn't noticed he could actually be in the interrogation room after she found the coffee. Really great detective skills on her hands. Instead she just keep giving him curious 'Are you ok' looks for the rest of the episode. Oh well, I could ignore that one too, especially because I don't know what's going on in her head, maybe she noticed something.. But Castle's staying at the precinct without saying anything is just weird. Ah, of course, he wants to do somehitng meaningful (which thought had to be planted by Alexis earlier in the episode because otherwise it wouldn't make sense, would it?). And why doesn't Kate finally come a little bit forward.. how many years of therapy will it take for her to make a little step. Didn't she say she was ready months ago??
The fisrt half of this season I didn't mind the slow pace at which they moved at all. Mostly because that even if the episodes were fillers, they keeped me entertained with clever writing. But lately the repetitivnes is creeping in. Andrew and his team should be a little bit more open to new ways if we want more good seasons of Castle. The characters have so much potential so why to slip into patterns. No matter how great the parallels are.. sometimes I have a feeling that it's more lack of the ideas.
But this frustration I have is just recent, otherwise I loved the 4th season and would not give up on it. It's the best show I've watched, ever and I love it. I care a lot about it, maybe a bit too much. What happened in 47 second gives a good basis for the next progress. So let's hope they will build on that. Luckily the finale is near so they won't drag this unsaid issue again for months which would really bother me.
I do disagree slightly with your review, i think Castle's behaviour was because he was simply heartbroken. He told Martha as much and said that he hadto stay because of the job and so had to hidehis feelings (the latter I agree disappointed me). I want to see what happens next time, but I do see logic in him reverting back to his old ways, he did change for Beckett in the first place. I am trying to have faith in TPTB and hope that AM is true to his word by not getting them together during the finale but before… maybe I'm being naive but it's my opinion right now.
I liked this episode, I’m just afraid Beckett is now gonna lie and say she doesn’t love Castle and what about Castles secret about “Mr Smith” when is that going to come out. It has to come out at some point.
We were warned the secrets were ticking time bombs… Just saying hehe
Can you remember last summer when Marlowe said he heard the complaints of fans on the lack of continuity and those issues would be addressed. Well Andy, you sure have took care of that,Season Four has had no continuity, none, nada, zip, zero. This has been the year of filler and throw away episodes, with deception added for good measure. There has been a total breakdown of flow, rhythm and cohesiveness. With the exception of
4×01: Rise
4×05: Eye of the beholder
4×07: Cops and Robbers
4×09: Killshot
4×12; Dial M for Mayor
all the rest were stand alone episodes without continuity to one another or to the "Grand Arch". Now with "47 seconds" you have brought the series back to episode 2×24: A Deadly Game. We are exactly where we were two years ago, C/B have not grown nor has there relationship evolved. Talk about spinning your wheels and not moving and inch, you have accomplished this in grand style.
My favorites were the "ultimate expression of love and the mirror image of C/B" from the Blue Butterfly and the much ballyhooed wedding episode. I don't remember the expression or the reflections of the first nor the wedding ceremony of the second.
Seasons One, Two and Three each had a particular feel to them, season Four with the exceptions of the aforementioned episodes feels like we never left S Three. The formula dictates that eps 20,21 and 22 will inch along painfully slow till ep 23, when every thing will come to a head.
April First will debut season two of Game of Thrones, and that will make my summer immensely enjoyable.
I'm honestly completely tired of watching both characters turn into people I can't stand. This ep made Castle look like a jackass (and the next one looks on course to cement that, dragging some chippie into the precinct and to crime scenes just to humiliate Beckett in front of all her colleagues? Nice, yeah, wanna date that guy.) And Beckett looks like a selfish idiot, not to mention the worst cop in NY. What, can't even put together from a coffee cup on her desk and suddenly weird behaviour that Castle might somehow have heard and been upset by what she'd said? Is this really the best the writers can come up with? Honestly, if he's pissed off (which fine, understood) then let him just stomp off and not come back, not hang around throwing her vile looks and making hypocritical comments about cowards and sinning with silence. WTF was that? When did Castle turn into Billy Graham? Go away and let her go find him, and maybe god forbid have a freaking conversation. That they freaking get to finish.
I *loved* these people once. I'm not even rooting for them anymore. I actually almost wish it'll be cancelled because I can't seem to give up watching and I can't bear the idea of sitting through another season of this juvenile rubbish next year.
This is a great point! I don't think I love these characters as I once did. And I wonder, in spite of the writing, and episodes and story lines, if these 2 characters really love one another. I think Castle needs to go to the Hamptons and Kate needs to take a long cruise or something. Then maybe on reuniting, the fire will burn once more.
You just hit the nail right on the head. I'm at a point that I honestly think that fanfic writers handle these two characters a lot better than the actual show writers.
I mean, I really like this show and I'm not giving up on it just yet, but really, they're testing my patience.
Wow, really? You think fanfic is better than the show?
I think that says it all about my belief in your "professional opinion" from this point on. I wish you luck in everything you do, but to say that fanfic is better than the show? I'd love to see you try to pull out a 4-5 year story arc, with network interference, then.
This truly is the page of demanding instant gratifiction.
Last time I'll be reading here.
Emily, I am not claiming to be a professional writer or understanding how it all works. Right now, I am enjoying certain works of other people more than certain aspects of the show. There are a lot of really talented people out there and you're just undermining them.
I think we can all agree to disagree and a television show is open to interpretation. It's never going to please everyone.
Firstly, my apologies for assuming you were a professional writer. Second, I love fanfic, but even the very best fic does NOT equate to the show. Fanfics have the luxury of no boundaries or either time or network or ratings. Its one writer with carte blanche on characters already created. You cannot possibly equate that to writing a tv show by any means.That isn't undermining the talent in the Castle fanfic community, that's being realistic to the demands of show runners across the country and for you to suggest anything else is disrespectful to THEM.
Of course TV is open to interpretation, that very aspect is what makes Castle so good, that 10 people can watch the same episode and have 10 different, yet equally justified reaction. That generates discussion, debate and ultimately interest, that's a good thing.
You're totally entitled to be frustrated with the show, with the characters etc, but saying you think fanfic does it better? I can't believe you can even equate the two.
See, that's where you misunderstood me or maybe I just didn't express myself correctly. I'm not comparing the show with fanfic. What I meant was that right now I am so disappointed in the show that I'm enjoying other people's work. We can discuss the merits of fanfiction versus original work until we're blue in the face, but I doubt it's going to get us anywhere. I know that TPTB work hard, but I'm just not feeling this season like I did the others, you know? I honestly think the writing, in particular, has been below average for most of the season, save a few exceptions.
But that's just my opinion. I'm no professional writer. I do this here because I like it – I'm a fan just like you guys – and I enjoy the entire fandom experience. I get that some people are loving the way the show's being handled right now, but I'm not. And that's what's cool about this space we have here because we get to read different interpretations and have a great debate about it.
You are totally right Luciana, some fanfics have much deeper understanding in these characters, see and handle them in a more "organic way" (if that's AM's favourite) than this show and this has nothing to do with the network.
I must say I find it quite funny/frustrating (depending on my mood) that this show presented one (1, ein, uno) conflict in the season premiere, nothing else during the whole season yet when somebody complains that four episode before the finale they just started to scratch that topic they are blaming for wanting instant gratification. What would be a non-instant gratification?
I knew people would give this ep that kind of reaction. Which annoys me, because if it had been Kate shutting down because she'd just been suckerpunched and hurt badly, everyone would've understood it. because oh look, she DID do that in the pilot. I didn't see you all ripping into her for being human and being hurt and hiding.
I loved the realism of Castle's reaction. He was hurt and he hid. He ran away from it because she's the only person in the world who CAN hurt him like that. Don't forget he believes she didn't say anything because she didn't love him back. Would any of you be brave enough to confront the person you love truly if you thought they didn't love you back? I doubt it a lot. So lets get some persepective here and don't judge what I felt was a very human reaction from Castle.
To any of you who actually expected a resolution to her secret in this episode, I'm sorry but you're idiots.
sorry, not pilot… in the season premiere.
I agree with your opinion on Castle's reaction. As I said above, it's perfectly reasonable if you look at it from his point of view. Something that is harder for us because we know the whole story and also happen to, you know, like Beckett.
I actually thought the episode, I've rewatched it since giving my opinion above, also showed a lot of development in Castle's character. A huge shout out to Fillion who managed to convey both the deepening maturity and yet inherent immaturity of his character: on the one hand, he feels his work at the station is more important than just the gratification of working with Beckett and is willing to deal with the hurt in order to carry on helping people. A huge change from the guy in season 1, signing women's breasts. Castle has matured. Yet at the same time, he is still immature enough for Emergency Cheering Up Pancakes and lashing out when deeply wounded by someone he cares deeply about. I see no inherent contradiction in this, as Castle has always been portrayed as bundle of juxtapositions.
Also, people need to give Beckett a break in regards to her detective work on Castle. She probably hasn't even thought of the interrogation room bit, either because she will have assumed he wasn't watching or because she doesn't really remember exactly what she said/what it means. For all she knows, he had a fight with his publisher/Alexis/Martha and is just really frustrated. She's not going to automatically connect that scene with his moods. Just because we can see everything doesn't mean she can and even humans have their blind spots: notoriously those close to their hearts. I reckon she won't connect the dots until she's told by Castle, given none of the other members of the team were there to see (assuming Castle doesn't tell any of the others).
Also, for the person who questioned the pair of them always going to others: note they only ever go to others when the issue is themselves. With the exception of "Kill Shot" where Espo had to force her into the room to deal with it. We always see Castle speaking to Beckett about his family issues. Interestingly, I can't think of any time we here of such issues from Beckett. Comparatively, Beckett appears to be very silent on any issues she has. Next week's episode will probably be the first episode in a long time where we actually see her discussing an issue with anyone who isn't her shrink, and we haven't seen him in an age.
I miss Dorn. BRING BACK WORF!
Yeah, right, we are idiots when we think something important would be resolved in one episode. I forgot it has to take a whole season :p
I understood Castle's reaction, I would probably jump into the same conclusion if I were in his shoes. But I would certainly not go back to the precinct and pretend nothing happened. If he believed Kate didn't have feelings for him, he should leave for good. If he had slightest doubts about it, he should ask her.
Is wishing Castle stand up for himself consider me an idiot? If he thinks she didn't love him, move. I didn't thought for a second that they will solve this conflict in this episode. I hoped that Castle will act as a mature man who either tells what hurts him, or leaves, but not stays just to pretend. It was contrite and no matter how they will play out the next episode, that will not be good for Castle on the long run. Which I don't really care about, but I care about that it shows AM wants more ammo for keeping them apart by any means instead of working of how they can come and most importantly stay together. When AM tells about organic development and obstacles, somebody should tell him that "unexpected worst time interruptions" are the most non-organic ones. That's why I can't trust in any of his promises.
All this aside, go up thread to "save Castle" and read the check list. It's AWM & CO following the same formula time after time, the names and locations change but it's the same pattern, just as the remaining episodes are following at this time. Where'd the originality, the audacity, the bravado disappear to.
"Predictus Interuptus" would make a great drinking game.
What is better: say all you want to the person "you love" or hide yourself, as always, and act like a stupid teenager? Come on, Castle should be a man, a mature man! He needs to confront her, or I'll think Sophia was right about him: he is a jackass selfish and imature boy!
He's not a jackass, selfish or immature . He's given Kate space when she needed it, he's given her support and friendship, he's joking to cheer her up, comforts her when she's down, he's done everything a woman could ask for. and then he finds out she's been ignoring his love declaration. I understand why she did it, but he doesn't know why, and understandably he assumes the worst. can't blame a man for running away from heartache. it's just human instinct. that really doesn't make him a jackass.
Problem is he didn't run away. He stayed. And stayed for a reason which had not on the palette before, at least not on the level to explain why he stays any longer that this particular case. It was a cop-out for Marlowe who wrote Castle into a situtation which was OOC. (I know it wasn't him who wrote this episode, but he is the one laying out the schedule for the characters) Him being hurt, angry, it's OK. Him being hurt, angry, feeling not loved and cheated at the same time yet staying, and rubbing his "I don't care about you" under her nose in front of everybody who they are working with – yeah, immature jackass. Congratulation to AM, managed to make me disgusted by both of them.
It made no sense that he didn't speak up. But TPTB generate frustration at all cost – even if it makes no sense! They want us to believe that it's organic and that's a great buzz word these days. What could be wrong with "organic?" It's not organic, it's unreal to be at this point in Season 4. These two characters hardly ever talk to each other about meaningful matters. This epp started great in that regard but fizzled. Last episode Kate told Castle what she wanted to be when she grows up (a Supreme Court Judge). That's the first thing you ask a little kid. Castle finally finds out after 4 years! I can understand Castle's reaction even though it's inconsistent with his character. He trusted Kate. She knew how he felt. She finally hears what she was waiting for and then she denies it! Too much to take!
Castle constantly talks to her about his family issues. He brings her to his home and they hang out. If anything, it's Beckett that doesn't do the talking, and we al know why that is. To say they hardly ever talk about meaningful matters is not really true.
As of yet, no one's really explained why Castle's staying is out of character. He has finally decided to man up and do something worthwhile and people feel this is wrong of him? And yet the reverting back to his playboy ways is also out of character? Either he's matured enough for that kind of thing, or he hasn't. You can't claim both are out of character.
Luciana, This was an extremely difficult episode to watch. It was purely gut wrenching to watch Castle' dream of a life with Beckett crumble right in front of him. His reaction to the news was very plausible. He is deeply hurt because he believes that Kate's denial of knowing that he told her he loved her was because she doesn't care for him in that way.
Before Kate can tell Rick that she loves him she needs to be made aware that her secret is out. And that the reason Rick is acting cold toward her and acting out is because he heard her admit she remembers everything the day she was shot. Only then can she deal with the consequences of her omission and try to explain her actions. Just telling Rick she loves him isn't going to be enough for him.
Somehow I have always believed that Martha will be the one to help these two get back together. She knows that Kate lied to her son, and once she sees him spiraling down, as any good mother she would want to get answers. I think Martha will be the one to set Kate straight. Then it will be up to Kate to go to Rick and explain what she did and beg his forgiveness
Even though we all believe that these two will get together in the next few episodes, it is still very difficult to watch the two characters we all love in such pain. And to make things worse, we will have 3 weeks after this next episode before we get any new episodes. Marlowe sure does know how to make us sweat.
At first I liked this episode but I've learned to be more objective. I totally agree about lack of continuity. It is worse this season than last. AM tries to pass off irrational behavior as being "organic." It's an easy way to make things happen any way he wants no matter how inexplicable, frustrating, or inconsistent with the character's personality. I agree with Luciana. By now Castle should be so drained and incapable of controlling his emotions after hearing that Kate remembered it ALL. It's Season 4, Folks, is he really in the mood for more games? Did he first realize NOW that police work is meaningful? Did Beckett not get the "subtext" that keeping silent is not an act of bravery? We get the subtext (even that is minimal this season). Does he really believe that he can detach himself from her? If he could then he would leave! Did it make any sense that Castle would walk into the precinct in the morning and tell Kate he loves her and wants to get serious! He would discuss that with her at a lounge or a diner. But that had to happen because suddenly there was a break in the case. Again and again – bad timing. In real life isn't there any good timing? Ever? Yes, but never in the Fairy Tale World of Castle. It's all very convenient but it's the same "same old "same old." I think both have good reasons to keep their secret. But Castle's has an added reason to keep his secret from Kate. Montgomery told Castle this secret because he didn't want him to tell Kate. He, like Castle, wants to keep Kate safe. He has an obligation to guard that secret.. I liked the plot but the "soap opera" aspect needs First Aid – STAT! Please excuse the rough criticism but I like the characters too much to see this happen. Please excuse the sarcasm because I am, by nature, a curmudgeon.
Don't some of the writers on the Castle staff have Soap Opera experience. Could that be influencing the Caskett Arch and the outrages behavioral swings of the DD. It is becoming more and more difficult to recognize C/B who now resemble a couple sinking into bipolar disorder. Where oh where have you gone Dr. Worf, Castle Nation turns its lonely eyes to you woo, woo ,woo. Jolt'n Joe has left and gone away hey, hey, hey.
This could be the foundation for the musical episode some have asked for. Based on Simon and Garfunkel tunes. It would make for a fantastic musical journey neurosis, we're half way there anyway.
Thank you Luciana for the review, it was very point on. To me the deepest point of writing was using the Predictus Interruptus (thanks saveCastle!) twice with the already overused "I've been thinking …" turn.
Before the episode I didn't understand why they needed the bomb to realize that time is flying (which they already have talked in about in 4×03), but watching the episode it is clear that they needed it more to support Rick's reaction. On a simple COTW murder it would have been almost ridiculous to tell Martha that he wanted to go back to be part of bringing justice, here the emotional undercurrent made it a little more acceptable at the moment. (Not any longer. Him staying after resolving the case pretending that he doesn't care is totally OOC.)
I'm afraid though that this reason – he wants to do something important – isn't just for now. I bet that this will be the explanation why he comes back in the next season after their break up in the finale (yes, I'm sure about it). And this explanation has no "best before" deadline, it's independent from the development or the stage of their relationship. Based on it AM could pull out the "won't they" option till the end of times or the leaving of the last viewer.
With the next episode seems like Marlowe wants to prove to the fans that he can satisfy their wishes (bringing back the playboyish Castle) in a way that they will regret ever wishing it.
I honestly don't know how much more I can take of this charade. I can't see myself coming back next season. Besides I can watch the Casket moments, which are few and far between, on U-Tube two days later! I thought the island was going to be moved but all I see are the same old tricks. I think they write for viewers with very short memories. After all these 3 week pauses they figure we won't remember the past – kinda like Kate. But, WE, Shippers, remember it ALL!!!
Ratings speaks loud and clear,this show is done!Next Year will be his last season.
Thank you AM,you're ruining even the memories of this characters.
Castle's reaction was real and definitely understandable. It's not just that he learned her secret, it's that she's been messing with his emotions on quite a few occasions during their time together.
Back in season 2 Castle invites Beckett to the Hamptons for the weekend, and she says she can't because she doesn't have anymore vacation days left due to looking for an apartment after hers blew up. Then, Castle has to sit idly by and find out that Beckett lied to him about not being able to go, because she and Josh were now "together". That was one ferocious punch to the gut, so bad that Castle decided that the case they were on would be the last case and that he would stay away all summer "at least". It also left him vulnerable to hooking back up with his ex-wife, because Beckett basically said to his face "I want Josh, not you, and I lied to spare your feelings."
In season 3 during a heated discussion, when Castle says "I'm your friend" Beckett responds with a testy "Oh, is THAT what we are?". Castle's comeback was perfection, and said a lot: "I don't know WHAT we are. We kiss, and then don't talk about it. We nearly die frozen in each other's arms, AND WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT." There's your blueprint right there to what will drive Castle nuts: having intimate, real moments together and then not…talking…about it. He's showing that he has no clue whatsoever as to how to read what occurs between them because Beckett never talks about ANYTHING. And a few minutes later what does Beckett end up saying? "You know what we are? We are through. Now get out."
In season 4, Beckett tells Castle that she doesn't remember a damn thing about the moments after being shot, then tells him that she's tired and would like to rest. When Castle says he'll see her tomorrow, she tells him not to bother, because she needs some time…which he gives her. Of course, she ends up ignoring him for 3 whole months instead of "a few days" like she apparently led him to believe. Phone calls go unanswered and unreturned. She completely cuts him out of her life, and he has NO idea why.
Think about that for a moment: you invite the woman you love to the Hamptons and she lies to you about why she can't go–you have to find out in a heartbreaking, embarrassing way that she's actually involved with another guy but didn't want to tell you. Then when you later have an argument and you tell her that you don't know what to make of your relationship with her, she gets angry and tells you that what you are, is "through" and tells you to get out of her apartment. Then, when you're holding her in what you fear are her last moments alive and you tell her you love her, her reaction after getting out of surgery is to tell you that none of that is in her memory, and then to blow you off for months on end.
And now to top it all off, Castle finds out that Beckett really DID hear him tell her that he loved her…but chose to lie yet again and pretend she didn't? This guy is ALWAYS there for her, confesses his feelings for her, has saved her life numerous times and has been her confidant, close friend and partner for years. He deserves FAR more from Beckett than lies, avoidance and ignoring his feelings because it's "easier". Nope, sorry…that's disrespecting his feelings. Yes, we as audience members know exactly how Beckett feels, but Castle knows none of that. All he knows is that for years he's been trying to have "more" with her than a platonic, friendly working relationship and all she's done is date other guys, lie to him, get angry at him and avoid him lol. And we're supposed to feel sorry for her because Castle's heart hurt too much for him to give her yet another opportunity?
Nope. Sorry.
Sorry, I don't know nothing about how Beckett feels. How should I know? Everything and I mean every single moment in this and the last season can be seen as she cares about him, he is important as a partner, as a friend, but nothing more. Yes, she relies on him sometime as an emotional support, she may even be attracted to him physically – but that doesn't mean any love. We are told by TPTB that she loves him but in fact we haven't got anything to support it. Whether is it bad writing or seeking to pull this charade as long as the TV exists, it depends on POV.
The writers and the show itself have given us more than enough moments to see the reality of what Beckett feels for Castle.
At the end of season 2 she broke up with her boyfriend and was about to confess deeper feelings for Castle.
At the beginning of season 3 we saw Beckett hurt over the possibility that Castle might have forgotten about her, staring at his chair with a VERY sad and longing expression. Later in season 3 after they both kept the bomb from going off, Castle was about to express more to her about how he feels, but stopped himself because Josh was approaching from behind Beckett. Once she realized that Josh was there, while she hugged him she kept looking over at Castle walking away. Sorry,. but if my gf was looking at another man while I held her in my arms there's NO way I wouldn't realize she had some serious feelings for the guy lol (not saying Josh saw that, by the way). And of course when they went out to Los Angeles and shared a hotel suite, they had that seriously intense moment of staring at each other, and Beckett's face said everything. And just in case we needed it batted over our heads, we got to see her fighting with herself as to whether or not to open the door and go back to Castle, letting "whatever" happen between them–and of course, she did go back out, which tells US, the audience, that she was willing to confront her feelings for him.
And then season 4, with the ultra-serious talk on the swingset…her comments to Castle were about as close as she has come to admitting she wants more with him. While he stared off into the distance, she looked straight at him, never lowering her gaze…and told him that Josh wasn't enough, that she had a wall up that needed to come down in order to have the type of relationship she truly wanted. I mean she just stared into him as if saying "Do you get it, now, Castle?…Do you?" Of course as audience members WE got it, because unlike Castle, we watched Beckett's every facial tick and expression. We also find out in season 4 that she has confided in her therapist about her feelings for Castle…he even at one point says to her "What are you afraid of? That he won't wait for you…or that he will?" So right there we know that Beckett has been at least honest enough with the therapist for him to come right out and talk to Kate about her fears of both having and losing Castle as a love interest.
So, yeah, we as an audience have been given a ton of signs that Beckett's feelings for Castle run deep and are intimate. Castle, though, hasn't gotten even 1/10th of that, so he SHOULD be confused. We, though, should not be.
And for the record, I've been in a relationship just like between Castle and Beckett, but we weren't cops or best selling mystery writers lol (nor did she ever come close to dying, thank God). But all the same elements were there: I flirted with her, she rolled her eyes lol. I'd give her sincere, heartfelt compliments from time to time, she's respond either with a smile or some version of "That's sweet" like Beckett does. I was ALWAYS there for her in numerous ways, putting what's best for her ahead of my feelings. I told her I didn't know why she wanted me in her life in the way that I was, just like Castle said "You know, I don't know WHAT we are." I even found out she became involved with another guy during all this, even though she lied and never told me she had.
And you know what? In that situation you DO feel like a fool, your heart does hurt like crazy, you do get angry and you do get to a point where you say "I give up" and pull away. And I did all that. I pulled away for half a year. And I think it was the pulling away that brought us back together. She reached out to me one night, we talked for awhile on the phone, and in a flood of emotions she admitted that she loved me, that she had always loved me, and that she would always love me. And it felt as if everything, every heartbreak, every emotionally confusing moment with her was all well worth it lol :).
So, yeah, Castle's reaction rang true to me, and their relationship also rings true.
Are you one of the writers on staff?
I'd probably be making a lot more money if I were ;)
Maybe I missed that part, but when did Castle pull away? Not for half a year, for half a day at least? His being angry, betrayed, feeling like a fool is normal. Pulling out a card why none of these are enough to stand up – that's contrite. Or disappointing depend on how much respect do you feel for him.
He started pulling away in this last episode. Others were saying that it wasn't "like" Castle to pull away. I was just saying that in his situation it was definitely a realistic reaction for his to pull away. When I mentioned my own experience, I mentioned that I pulled away for over 6 months. And I mean 6 months of absolutely no talks or contact whatsoever. So, yeah, I can see Castle pulling away for a week or so.
Well Stana promises on E! and EW that "Caskett" the term she used, would be happy by the end of the season.
She has been a big supporter of getting Castle and Beckett together, so we shall see.
On another point, I don't think those who post here should get snippy with others who write their frustrations in this forum. It's all in fun and thanks to Luciana, we have a great way to visit and discuss all things Castle. Hell yes I get aggravated at times, but you can bet I won't miss a single episode. Thanks Luciana for all your hard work.
Nor will I, for the remainder of this season. Next season may be a different story, it will depend of how big a jerk my chain gets with episode 23.
Well said, especially re: taking frustrations out on others. It's nothing personal, it's just a show. A show that I loved. oops – love. You know what? I don't know what we are. They kiss and never talk about it. They nearly DIE frozen in each others arms but they never talk about. So, no, I got no CLUE what we are. We're going through a thing right now. We need couples therapy.
Sooooo wish there was an edit feature.
Question? Not about this episode, I think I can say that everyone wanted Castle to confront Beckett about her lie, but honestly that wasn't going to happen not in that episode. My question is about the revelation that has been posted that someone who hasn't been see all year will reappear in the season finale. It got me thinking. Does anyone remember seeing Lockwood's body on the hanger floor next to Montgomery? He should have been right near him. Since Marlowe has stated that they would be revisiting Beckett's mom's murder, that would be my guess. Lockwood would return to complete his mission, but this time it would include Castle as well since he as been investigating the crime.
Psh, it's going to be Josh. We were even told that he'd be in it this season, as he and Beckett had unfinished business, if I remember correctly.
When did you read that Josh would be in it this season?
That unfinished business was taken care of in "Rise" 4×01.
The problem with this show was the problem with JAG the writers and AM can't do anything creative unlike JAG we have two actors that could pull it off. Stana and Nathan have one more season per the rumors, will AM allow their them that?
Your patience will be tested; from the synopsis I've read we may have to wait till episode 23 for a resolution to Beckett's revelation. Now how patient are you?
Let me first begin by saying that I am very passionate about all things Castle. I love the characters, love the actors that play them, love the drive, competition and passion everyone displays on the show, to get the bad guys episode after episode. Adore the witty banter between Castle and Beckett. It´s a simbiosys rarely seen on TV, at least by me.
Beckett carries her "cross" because she feels guilty about her mom´s unsolved murder. She becomes a homicide detective machine, without feelings, without emotions, eventhough she´s always defending the rights and emotions of the victims and their families. It´s really the substance that heroes are made of. Then walks in Castle, someone that likes to solve puzzles, mysteries, because this caresses his child-ego. His child-like demeanor, his need to please those around him, his charm and comedic side melt away, Beckett´s emotional and physical barricades. Going after her mom´s murderers just reopen all of the emotional traumas she buried for ten years. I think the writers, to this point, stuck to and were loyal to the character´s and the original ideas of the program.
I am afraid for the Castle series now. I feel that Beckett is a broken character now, that when faced again with trying to solve her mom´s murder, will get killed, or die trying. If Castle is not there to protect her, or save her, or solve the riddles (because in the Castle TV series, Rick is now the sole finder of relevant clues, and he´s the only one that puts the cases together—Less real, more make believe, than the Nikki Heat book series, where she´s the detective, the brains of the operations, and Rook is in it as the side-kick) I love the books more that the TV series, it´s written better and the characters are more realistic.
But getting back to my point, I think the writers are opening up the possibility of Beckett taking a final bullet for the show. They have built up so much emotional and psychological pressure, on a non-physical, emotional partnership that most likely, it will not end well.
Even if they are still filming the last four days of 4×21 (Adam Baldwin) episode with the Zombies, I think the writers and creators have distanced Castle and Beckett on purpose. They have instisted on revisiting Beckett´s mom´s case again before the end of the season.
This artificially created distance, makes the central plot idea for the show irrelevant. Castle has no real reason to ride shot-gun anymore, and his character has been build up so much (he´s the one solving everything, even faster and better than Homeland Security, the FBI, and everybody), that he is now his own island. Too bad he´s not a real cop, or detective, or licensed private eye, cause his show could head that way anyway. With Castle´s/Fillion´s big following, everyone else in the show becomes irrelevant.
what I am trying to say with this is that the creator and the writers have opened the door to close down the Beckett Castle relationship once and for all. The fact that Fillion´s own opinion of Caskett coming true would be a "show-ender", the fact that neither the writers or Stana were present last year at comic-con 2011, are all signs that the essence of the show is coming to an end.
On 4×20 the writers and Beckett will try to make Castle jealous, or "rethink" his idea of finally being free of a complicated and poisoned relationship with Beckett and or viceversa. Like most fans here have already stated, this has already been repeatedly done before, in seasons 2, 3 and 4.
I think everyone will agree that a "middle ground" is impossible here and now. To each his own, back to when Castle and Beckett rode together to solve cases, meanwhile having relationships with other people. His motivation for it is gone, he has graduated from detective work and now he does it better than the pros. I think Beckett on the other hand, will not like how things were at the precinct before Castle arrived.
How long can a person wait for a emotionally broken someone?? Months? Years? How many years? two, three, four? I think this "waiting" has been too much, even for someone as loyal and "prince charming-like" Castle character.
The two new books, one of Derreck Storm, the other of Nikki Heat, just make it a more likely scenario that Beckett and Castle are somehow parting ways. It reminds me of that song: "Que será, será, whatever will be, will be, the future´s not ours to see, que será, será!"
Let me first begin by saying that I am very passionate about all things Castle. I love the characters, love the actors that play them, love the drive, competition and passion everyone displays on the show, to get the bad guys episode after episode. Adore the witty banter between Castle and Beckett. It´s a simbiosys rarely seen on TV, at least by me.
Beckett carries her "cross" because she feels guilty about her mom´s unsolved murder. She becomes a homicide detective machine, without feelings, without emotions, eventhough she´s always defending the rights and emotions of the victims and their families. It´s really the substance that heroes are made of. Then walks in Castle, someone that likes to solve puzzles, mysteries, because this caresses his child-ego. His child-like demeanor, his need to please those around him, his charm and comedic side melt away, Beckett´s emotional and physical barricades. Going after her mom´s murderers just reopen all of the emotional traumas she buried for ten years. I think the writers, to this point, stuck to and were loyal to the character´s and the original ideas of the program.
I am afraid for the Castle series now. I feel that Beckett is a broken character now, that when faced again with trying to solve her mom´s murder, will get killed, or die trying. If Castle is not there to protect her, or save her, or solve the riddles (because in the Castle TV series, Rick is now the sole finder of relevant clues, and he´s the only one that puts the cases together—Less real, more make believe, than the Nikki Heat book series, where she´s the detective, the brains of the operations, and Rook is in it as the side-kick) I love the books more that the TV series, it´s written better and the characters are more realistic.
But getting back to my point, I think the writers are opening up the possibility of Beckett taking a final bullet for the show. They have built up so much emotional and psychological pressure, on a non-physical, emotional partnership that most likely, it will not end well.
Even if they are still filming the last four days of 4×21 (Adam Baldwin) episode with the Zombies, I think the writers and creators have distanced Castle and Beckett on purpose. They have instisted on revisiting Beckett´s mom´s case again before the end of the season.
This artificially created distance, makes the central plot idea for the show irrelevant. Castle has no real reason to ride shot-gun anymore, and his character has been build up so much (he´s the one solving everything, even faster and better than Homeland Security, the FBI, and everybody), that he is now his own island. Too bad he´s not a real cop, or detective, or licensed private eye, cause his show could head that way anyway. With Castle´s/Fillion´s big following, everyone else in the show becomes irrelevant.
what I am trying to say with this is that the creator and the writers have opened the door to close down the Beckett Castle relationship once and for all. The fact that Fillion´s own opinion of Caskett coming true would be a "show-ender", the fact that neither the writers or Stana were present last year at comic-con 2011, are all signs that the essence of the show is coming to an end.
On 4×20 the writers and Beckett will try to make Castle jealous, or "rethink" his idea of finally being free of a complicated and poisoned relationship with Beckett and or viceversa. Like most fans here have already stated, this has already been repeatedly done before, in seasons 2, 3 and 4.
I think everyone will agree that a "middle ground" is impossible here and now. To each his own, back to when Castle and Beckett rode together to solve cases, meanwhile having relationships with other people. His motivation for it is gone, he has graduated from detective work and now he does it better than the pros. I think Beckett on the other hand, will not like how things were at the precinct before Castle arrived.
How long can a person wait for a emotionally broken someone?? Months? Years? How many years? two, three, four? I think this "waiting" has been too much, even for someone as loyal and "prince charming-like" the Castle character.
The two new books, one of Derreck Storm, the other of Nikki Heat, just make it a more likely scenario that Beckett and Castle are somehow parting ways. It reminds me of that song: "Que será, será, whatever will be, will be, the future´s not ours to see, que será, será!"
Don't like to see Rick so snarky and vindictive, and, his comment that Beckett is as good as dead to him really made me cringe . Not cool at all, and certainly not in keeping with the personality of the character. What happened to the kind and big-hearted man of seasons past , whom we all loved ?
Does AWM know that by dragging this "will they won't they" he is actually hurting the characters ? He has turned them into personas we don't recognize and don't particularly like either. I like to watch my heroes 'be a man' and speak about what's troubling them, rather than seethe in silence and make snide remarks. It's really unbecoming and unpleasant to watch a man do that. And about him flaunting those bimbos in the next episode, c'mon writers, can't you come up with something more plausible and interesting than that ??